Wednesday, March 07, 2007

Don't We Have More Important Things to CAIR About?

There's a mini tempest in a teapot brewing against Joe Sestak for his agreement to speak at a C.A.I.R. (Council on American-Islamic Relations) event.
Recent opinion articles against Sestak (wrongly) attempt to portray him as practically a terrorist sympathizer for merely talking to the group (that according to some, supports the worst of Hamas).

The critics conveniently ignore that Hamas was democratically elected into the majority party Palestinian National Authority. This result that necessitates dialog and engagement on the issues and an acknowledgement that Hamas is a valid political entity that should be encourage to pursue politically solutions.

The critics try to portray Sestak's upcoming event at a local synagogue as inconsistent and call for him to withdraw from the CAIR event. (Notice, we don't hear the CAIR group requesting that Sestak withdraw from the synagogue event.)

The way the Bush administration freezes assets, wiretaps, detains and deports anybody they merely suspect of terrorist ties (without evidence or legal authority), CAIR could not exist in the current climate if it was as bad as Sestak's critics portray it.

It should be no suprise that local Archie Bunker wannabee, Gil Spencer, waded deeper into the cess-pool. Delco Times: Sestak May Want to be CAIR-ful
Spencer uses Daniel Pipes (crediting him as a "world-renowned expert on Islamic terrorism" to define the CAIR organization:
"For starters," he says, "it’s on the wrong side in the war against terrorism."
He points out that after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR dragged its feet on officially recognizing Osama bin Laden as the culprit, but that was in keeping with the group’s consistently defending known and suspected Islamic terrorists. (neo-cons like Spencer, and Bush/Cheney, believe suspect=guilty and no trial/proof required)
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CAIR was founded and supported with Saudi money and, since its inception, has refused to admit Hamas is a terrorist organization. It was Hamas that was responsible for the murder of 241 U.S. Marines in Lebanon in 1983.

CAIR’s known activities and connections led the FBI’s former chief of counterterrorism, Steve Pomerantz, to announce, "CAIR, its leaders and its activities effectively (but not ACTUALLY) give aid to international terrorist groups."


Spencer (as usual) fails to research or present any balance before declaring Daniel Pipes an expert or investigate any bias: From Wikipedia article on Mr. Pipes
On the other hand, a 1983 Washington Post book review by Thomas W. Lippman stated that Pipes displays "a disturbing hostility to contemporary Muslims ... he professes respect for Muslims but is frequently contemptuous of them". It said his book "is marred by exaggerations, inconsistencies, and evidence of hostility to the subject" while admitting that "[f]ew other writers have explained so lucidly such complex developments in Muslim history" and that his "book is a valuable contribution to our understanding" (Washington Post, December 11, 1983).

Pipes' Middle East Forum sparked controversy in September 2002 when it established a website called Campus Watch which said that it identified five problems in the teaching of Middle Eastern studies at American universities: "analytical failures, the mixing of politics with scholarship, intolerance of alternative views, apologetics, and the abuse of power over students". Students were encouraged to submit reports regarding teachers, books and curricula. The project was accused of "McCarthyesque intimidation" of professors who criticized Israel, when it published a "blacklist" of professors. In protest, more than 100 academics demanded to be listed as well. Campus Watch subsequently removed the list from their website. [8] [9] [10]

Peace Institute appointment

In April 2003, President Bush nominated Pipes for the board of the federally sponsored U.S. Institute of Peace, on which Douglas Feith was already serving. Soon afterwards, a broad array of Arab-American, American Muslim, and other groups, vehemently denounced the appointment, claiming that Pipes was an "anti-Islamic extremist". A The Washington Post editorial suggested that many Muslims viewed Pipes' nomination as a "sort of cruel joke".[11] The Arab American Institute, headed by James Zogby, stated "For decades Daniel Pipes has displayed a bizarre obsession with all things Arab and Muslim. Now, it appears that his years of hatred and bigotry have paid off with a presidential appointment. One shudders to think how he will abuse this position to tear at the fabric of our nation."

Christopher Hitchens, who is also a prominent critic of Islamists, also expressed "bafflement" at this appointment in a critical essay entitled "Daniel Pipes is not a man of peace" in Slate. [5] Hitchens wrote that Pipes "employs the fears and insecurities created by Islamic extremism to slander or misrepresent those who disagree with him" and that this contradicted the USIP's position as "a somewhat mild organization [...] devoted to the peaceful resolution of conflict." Hitchens concluded his opposition to Pipes' nomination by saying that Pipes "confuses scholarship with propaganda" and pursues "petty vendettas with scant regard for objectivity."


The other "commentary" piece I found against Sestak was by Beila Rabinowitz in the Evening Bulletin: Setak Must Recind his Ties to CAIR. Gee, now it's ties?
Beila is the directory of the Militant Islam Monitor website. Their "LINKS" page http://www.militantislammonitor.org/links.php lists Daniel Pipes at the top as well as sites like Campus Watch, Anti-CAIR, etc. It also lists PipelineNews. (Note: Pipeline also had anti-Sestak hit piece, written by, Beila Rabinowitz.)

AS far as I can tell, we seem to have an anti-Islamic group run by bigots, zealots, paranoids and hypocrits that is attempting to generate media attention to pressure a congressman into cancelling an event. A fool like Gil Spencer seems more than happy to follow along to attack Sestak.

No one seems to consider that having people like Joe Sestak talk to Islamic groups is a positive way to improve American-Islamic Relations (the AIR of CAIR). This stands in contrast to the hot-AIR (Anti-Islamic-Rhetoric) of Gil Spencer, Daniel Pipes and Beila Rabinowitz.

Instead of all the hot-air, we need cool reason (like the voters had in November when they made a change for the better).

13 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is rich: "Spencer (as usual) fails to research or present any balance before declaring Daniel Pipes an expert or investigate any bias..."

And then you use a WIKIPEDIA entry for YOUR "research"??

You are a fool.

If any truth seekers want the facts on CAIR, go to COURT DOCUMENTS (http://anti-cair-net.org/Response.html)and (http://www.anti-cair-net.org/LegalDetails)and learn why/how CAIR ran away from the Truth.

8:29 AM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-
First of all, Wikipedia is generally far more accurate, researched and balanced than anything coming out of Gil's poisoned pen.

Second, the Wikipedia article actually linked to the various references and articles. (I'll admend my cut/paste to include some of the links, though going to the full Wikipedia article would be the best for readers.)

Third, my point was that there is some controversy surounding Mr. Pipes and that if Gil had any journalistic integrity, he could have mentioned that, rather than accept Mr. Pipes characterization of CAIR as gospel.

Finally, your "facts" on CAIR link is the response prepared by a lawyer defending someone against CAIR. A lawyer is a paid advocate, and hardly an unbiased source to prove anything, however convincing his arguments may seem. Where is the counter-argument made by CAIR? I doubt you'll find it on "anti-cair-net.org"

10:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the counter-argument made by CAIR?

There IS no "counter-arguement from CAIR! They hide from the truth.

CAIR cut and ran from several lawsuits (not just Anti-CAIR) when they saw the evidence against them and realized the discovery requests were going to expose them for the terrorist supporting/financed "organization" that they are.

Where is your "journalistic integrity" in leaving out the facts on CAIRs ties to terror?

Do you advocate Sestak rubbing shoulders with the Islamic Supremacists of CAIR?

CAIR has NOTHING to do with "religion" other than using it as a tool to push their fascist agenda.

Do you advocate misogyny and religious fascism?

Did you even read the evidence against CAIR?

All you can do is kill the messenger, and totally ignore the truth in the message.

Good Job.

3:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You said "Where is the counter-argument made by CAIR? I doubt you'll find it on "anti-cair-net.org"

I gave you the link to ALL the court documents, including CAIRs ridiculous "counter arguements" and stalling measures to keep their funding and associations hidden.

The judge DENIED CAIR's request to not answer interrogatories.

If you have any honesty, this should tell you something.

Here is the link again, have at it.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/LegalDetails

Also,

CAIR Refuses Discovery Requests & Asks For "Protective Order"
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/CAIRrefusalDiscovery.pdf

3:44 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-
I read the "legal details". All they show is that CAIR filed charges against anti-CAIR for defamation and that anti-CAIR buried them in discovery motions and fishing expeditions.
The various motions are just the arguments by each side's legal team.
NONE of the documents on anti-CAIR's website contains a legal finding by a judge or other independent authority that supports CAIR being an extremist/terrorist organization.
Pat Robertson (of the 700 Club) might well be considered an advocate for terrorism when he called for the assasination of Hugo Chavez. Ann Coulter has called for religious genocide: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

I looked at the CAIR website. http://www.cair-net.org/
It has little different from site of the Catholic League or the Jewish Anti-Defamation League which jump upon any real or perceived slight to members of their faith.

The Catholic league goes NUTS whenever anyone suggests that Jesus was married or had kids, even in works of fiction like Dogma or daVinci Code.
The Jewish Anti-Defamation League freaked out over Jimmy Carter for daring to critize Israel's treatment of Palestinian and pretty much labeled him an anti-Semite. Just because some believe that last year's use of cluster bombs by Israel against Lebanonese civilians was a war crime or state sponsored terrorism, does that automatically make any pro-Israeli organization an extremist supporter of terrorism? Of course not.

Daniel Piper and the crew at anti-CAIR are promoting fear and paranoia about Islam. Look how freaked out everyone got when Keith Ellison took his congressional oath of office using the Koran (and one formerly owned by Thomas Jefferson).

Does money sent to pro-Islamic organizations sometimes wind up in the hands of terrorists? Of course. Does money (or weapons) the US sends overseas for relief programs end up in the hands of dictators? Yes, as well. (let's not forget all that Saudi oil money funding terrorism)

Daniel Piper seems to have the same world-view as people like Bush, Cheney, Doug Feith, Rumsfeld and the others that got us into the Iraq war. The desire by some in CAIR to have Islam be a majority religion in America/World is no different a goal than that of devout Evangelical Christians or the Democracy-at-gunpoint types.

I reject the guilt-by-association smears by paranoid groups like anti-CAIR. CAIR members should be judged on their individual actions, not on the actions of others not representive of the group as a whole.

It seems that with African Americans advancing in America, the bigots need a new group to go after.

10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You show by your cheap and irrelevant equivocations that you would feel the same way about CAIR as you would any bigoted or rascist group like the KKK, Neo-nazis, or any herd fascist ... as long as they're on "your side".

"Just because a few are fascists, it doesn't mean they all are fascists - you can't judge the whole group"

The hell I can't.

You can bury your head into your delusional hatred of the "neocons", but don't think that all us will buy that bill of goods.

Many Senior LIBERAL Dems have CAIR's number, and refuse to be slimed by CAIR. They have outright called CAIR a Terrorist Supporting Front group.

Why? Because CAIR IS a Terrorist Supporting Front Group!

Poor Joe Sestak.

CAIR was built by terrorists and terror supporters on a religious foundation of Supremacist ideological crap.

No matter how shiny you make CAIR out to be, it's foundation will always be built from that smelly load of fascist crap.

11:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And One more thing:

You said;

"Daniel Piper and the crew at anti-CAIR are promoting fear and paranoia about Islam."

Neither Pipes or anti-CAIR expressed anything that associated CAIR with Islam, except to show that CAIR abuses Islam to advance its supremacist ideology. This isn't about a religion. It's about Islamofascism.

Nice try, but trying to bring Islam into the CAIR argument is pathetic.

CAIR perverts Islam at every turn.

11:29 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous (hey, use your name, and stop hiding)-

Actually, anti-CAIR states on it's front page "..CAIR wishes nothing more than the
implementation of Sharia law in America
"

The statements by anti-CAIR do not match the public message on clear display on CAIR's website.

anti-CAIR also makes the clearly false claim: "CAIR actively opposes every law and policy designed to protect the United States from attack". This anti-CAIR statement was part of an article criticizing the FBI for cooperating with CAIR on civil-rights investigations. anti-CAIR compares CAIR to the KKK.

CAIR's primary focus is on civil liberties and rooting out anti-Muslim activities. If members of their leadership are supporting more radical actions, then the members promoting the civil-rights agenda should push out the radicals.

I believe in religious freedom and tolerance. While I don't mind people that are deeply religious in their own personal lives, however it stretches my tolerance when they bring it to the public square and start competing and being intolerant of other religions.

CAIR is one of many responses to anti-Muslim sentiments that have risen since 9/11. Marginalizing Muslims, rather than integrating into American society, will invariably lead to the sort of problems Britain and Europe are having with their Muslim populations.

I am NOT trying to cover up any "warts" that CAIR may have or give them a "pass". I AM rejecting rhetoric and methods of anti-CAIR, which are thinly veiled bigotry and paranoia.

In the early days (and probably still today in parts of the deep South) the NAACP was considered a radical organization attempting to destroy the (white) American way of life. There were probably links, overlaps and associations with Black Panthers and other radical organizations (as some CAIR members may have with more radical Islam).

In the current era of warrently wiretaps, I'm sure prominent Muslim organizations are closely watched. If there was any strong evidence of terrorism support, CAIR would have been shut down long ago.

Try reading the articles and newsclips on CAIR's website. If you substitute catholic, jew, etc. for muslim it looks like any other anti-defamation site.

BTW, why do those KKK guys wear the white sheets? Oh, yeah, to remain anonymous.

Next time, try posting under your real name. Anonymous is for cowards.

2:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your equivocations, apologies, and defense for terrorist supporters, perverters of a faith, criminals, and their fellow travelers shows a great deal about your character.

Thank you for playing ...

8:25 AM  
Blogger David Diano said...

1) I don't defend proven terrorist supporters.
2) I find the arguments against CAIR to be less than compelling.
3) I don't equate all "fellow travelers" as being cupable for the actions of others.
4) You seem to have broken the code about my character: I'm not racist or anti-Islamic bigot.

You, on the other hand, have embraced the posture of many racist "fellow travelers" hiding behind anonymous identities and painting the people that don't agree with your bigotry as terrorist sympathizers.

You must be so proud of yourself.
I am not impressed.

10:45 AM  
Anonymous shelly said...

US is now talking to Iran and Syria. Does that mean US is supporting the terrorists? Absolutely no.

5:32 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Shelly-
Exactly right.

However, in the minds (alternate reality) of the neocons, they think such actions by the US do support terrorists. Of course, these neocons equate diplomacy with surrender.

They are making a cottage industry out of feeding off peoples fears and prejudices.

7:53 PM  
Anonymous themann1086 said...

Sestak also talked to the heads of the local GOP; I guess that means he supports the Republican agenda now!!!

6:11 PM  

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