Wednesday, May 23, 2007

Timetable for Withdrawal or for Joe?

The Democratic Leadership (and I'm using the term loosely this week) has made a fatal mistake in their efforts to end the War in Iraq and bring our troops home safely.

Many Democrats, including Joe Sestak, are considering voting for the current Iraq funding bill, without timetables, enforcible benchmarks or accountability from the White House.

From the Chicago Tribune:
When Joe Sestak, a Democrat and former vice admiral in the Navy, ran for Congress last year, he told the voters of suburban Philadelphia that the United States should withdraw from Iraq by the end of 2007.

Fueled in part by the anti-war sentiments of Pennsylvania voters, Sestak defeated a 10-term Republican.

Thursday, after months of struggle with the White House, Sestak and fellow members of the House are expected to vote to fund the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan through September. The legislation, however, will not include a timeline to withdraw from Iraq, which until recently was a key Democratic demand. Instead, the $120 billion measure will contain "benchmarks" that the Iraqi government should meet to show progress.

Despite intense pressure from anti-war organizations, Sestak said he would vote for the measure. "The fact of the matter is we have to fund the troops," he said, shrugging off the prospect of facing political consequences. "I've had my 31-year career. This is my passion."


Your passion? Spending taxpayer dollars to fund a war that you've always called a "tragic misadventure"? Prolonging a war that you know only gets worse the more we extend it without end? The REAL fact of the matter is that we do NOT "have to fund the troops" for anything other than a safe pullout. I'll detail the things we can fund later in this piece.

Joe, you need to vote against this bill!!!

Joe campaigned on timetables for withdrawal. From Joe's own campaign website...
I firmly believe in a planned end to our military engagement in Iraq within the next year as the primary catalyst for change in Iraq. This timeline should only be extended if our military experts deem that a few more months are necessary in order to safely execute a complete withdrawal. I understand the Vietnam-like arguments that military disengagement may mean dominoes will fall, resulting in more regional strife and the further waning of U.S. credibility and power. But I counter those assertions with the real likelihood of a prolonged occupation with rising death, injury and cost for an unknown number of years. It will be an occupation that will continue to have goals that are ever changing as they remain elusive. The result will be continued loss of U.S. military and diplomatic international credibility. Polls show a growing majority Arab opinion:

1. that Iraqis are worse off than before the war;
2. that the intervention has produced less democracy in the region;
3. that, in the words of the U.S. inspector general for Iraq, corruption is “pervasive and very serious,” with more than $1 billion missing in one case;
4. that, even in cities proclaimed to be models for rebuilding Iraq, militia fighters of different religious parties clash violently and conduct assassinations, and
5. that unemployment ranges from 25 to 40 percent, even in these cities.

We must use our prompt military disengagement from Iraq to force the three major parties to understand that America has achieved its ends: (1) no weapons of mass destruction threaten us; (2) we have provided a framework for democracy; (3) we have provided resources to begin to revive their economy; and (4) a torturous dictatorship has been removed.
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There is a prompt way out of Iraq, and I believe that failing to do so means significantly hurting our other, more important long term interests in the world.


Joe, it's time to cast the vote you were elected to cast. Make no mistake, you and other military veterans were elected to vote to end the war. Your military service should be an innoculation against false criticism that you don't support the troops. But, so what if there is criticism? This is a matter of principle and you REALLY need to honor your campaign promises regarding timetables, hold the line, and convince as many others as possible to do the same.

Democrats in Congress MUST NOT enable Bush to continue his failed policies without Congressional oversight and approval. If we didn't want Congressional oversight, we would have voted to keep Curt Weldon.

Joe, you and the other Democrats need to keep sending funding bills to the White House that demand timetables and benchmarks. Let Bush veto them. Build more support and send another bill. Let the country see who is really looking out for the troops.


Things you can fund or de-fund:
1) Pay the contractors the SAME wages as the troops. The contractors are there voluntarily and their high pay is an insult to the underpaid troops that are forced to be there through a backdoor draft. De-fund the contractors and lets see how patriotic they really are.

2) De-fund all extensions to troop combat tours and anything that supports such extensions.

3) Bring home the National Guard troops and outlaw the use of the Guard outside the United States without a more rigorous set of conditions.

4) Fund a study on how to bring the troops home safely, or at least to pull back to Iraq's borders, as you have previously suggested.


You are part of the majority party that was swept into office to execute the will of the majority, particularly in your district. What the hell heck hell are you afraid of? This vote is a total surrender of principle and leadership.

Joe, if you cannot fulfill the primary mission of your current term, those that oppose the war may impose their own timetable against prolonging your mission into a second term.

As you said, you put in your 31 years and are in Congress as "your passion". So, your vote should match the passion you expoused on the campaign trail, or the voters should find a congressman for 2008 that shares their passion.

21 Comments:

Anonymous themann1086 said...

Hear hear!

Just because we support Democrats doesn't mean we'll support them when we're wrong!

5:35 PM  
Anonymous themann1086 said...

we're, they're... same difference.

7:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha...did we(Weldon supporters) tell you all way before you put Sestak up as a nominee to make sure you know and trust the man you put up...well i guess he's been out of this area all too long for you to even know him....I now admire Sestak, because he realizes that a war that NEEDS to be fought, better be fought over seas, than in your back yard of Havertown, Mr. Diano.....

7:51 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-
Funny how you now admire Sestak. I'm sure he'll be happy to get your vote in 2008.

Actually, I'd much rather our resources were spend "over here" where the National Guard could have helped the victims of Katrina or the tornadoes in Kansas. I didn't ask and don't want US soldiers risking their lives to defend me against a threat that didn't exist.

And, you know what, I'd rather fight the terrorists here, where they have nowhere to hide, than have our military over-extended to the breaking point and our soldier's patriotism taken advantage of.

For $500 billion and counting, we could have saved more lives than the terrorists could have killed here in the same time period. We wouldn't have thousands of US soldiers dead and tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths.

The war NEEDS to end, not continue.

2:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I didn't ask and don't want US soldiers risking their lives to defend me against a threat that didn't exist"...honestly, you must not know the world around you....a threat that doesn't exist, cmon...do your really think that "extremist" just sit back and watch the world spin round?
this war that we fight today, is a much different war than what my father and your father fought...its still for the same cause though...
i honestly feel that the men and women who serve, serve knowing that their cause is great, while Americans watch the media's "one sided view" and piggy back their views....
"For $500 billion and counting, we could have saved more lives than the terrorists could have killed here in the same time period"...How do you know this, we have never been in this kind of war before? you just assume.....
...We are in a war, in something we believe that the suppression of a people must not be tolerated...
by the way you might want to say something to Ruth..she doesn't really agree with you either...

4:12 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-
The "threat that didn't exist" was Iraq.

1) Iraq was not a plausible threat to us at the time of the invasion (and recently uncovered intelligence recommendations from 2002-2003 show that Bush was informed of such).

2) About 6,000 Americans are killed each year by drunk drivers (that two 9/11 events per year), but are we spending 100 billion per year testing bar patrons and informing on party guests?
Over 40 million Americans don't have health insurance. Estimates are that tens of thousands that actually go to the hospitals are killed by preventable medical errors and wrong prescriptions.

3) You argument that "we've never been in this kind of war before" is no justification for the thousands of unnecessary deaths and lack of military planning. You are the one assuming that the lives lost have saved more lives. That is VERY unlikely, especially when you count the lifes of the Iraqi civilians that have suffered from Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld policies.

4) Finally, the incompetent manner in which this war had been conducted has been damaging to our troops and the strength of our military. Our equipment is damaged. Our troops have been overextended. The back-door draft of the National Guard has misused and abused their service that should have been at home.

I strongly believe that this war has had an overall negative effect on our military, our economy, our security, our moral authority in the world, our credibility and our fight against terrorism.

Given my belief, I feel that bringing the troops home (especially the ones with involuntary tour extensions) supports the troops.

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Fine....than tell me why, the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen on Oct. 12, 2000—an attack that left 17 Americans dead which was more than a year before 9/11 gave us no cause, as you would say to enter into a country that held these radicals?

2.) I agree with you, david. I wished more money went to these causes...but than i would take my republican side and say that 1.3 million abortions happen a year...why do we allow this to keep happening? I WILL PROVE to you that a baby at just 2 weeks is a living human being.....so please do not try and say this is not human life....

3.) you never really did answer my question, you just tried to turn this back on me.....by the way they killed almost 3,000 people in one day, its been 5 years for us to accumulate those numbers in our military....again i am not trying to justify this, just trying to prove a point.

4. Honestly, don't you believe Bush would send everything we have to win this war? Its from the Democrats and the media that goes against everything he pushes forward...just look at your argument at Joe Sestak, in not wanting him to fund our troops...you are the one who denies that from our troops! and please do not talk to me about National Guard since i am apart of it...you have no clue in how WE want to serve this country.....sometimes i wonder why i do it since people like you continue on with the "negative" outlook in this country that i desire to protect. its not the war thats negative, its blogs like this, media, protest, etc. that hold up that negative spot light.

10:22 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-
1) Iraq was not involved in attack on Cole or 9/11 either.

2) Abortion is legal. Not everyone believes it is murder, especially at a few weeks when still an embryo. The pro-life politicians aren't willing to provide health care or decent wages or "welfare" to millions of unwed mothers. And some would have force a young rape victim to bear the child of her attacker rather than abort it.

3) 3000 over 5 years averages out to 600 per year. We have 3,500 US troop deaths in FOUR years and 20,000 troops disabled and many tens of thousands of Iraq deaths. Also, throw in 1000 victims trapped by Katrina that didn't have adequate guard support. Then there is the fact that Bin Laden is still alive and we diverted troops from the search for him and Al Quada leadership to go into Iraq. The Iraq war has become a recruiting tool and training ground for guerilla warfare and terrorism, making us less save.

4) Bush has NOT sent in everything to win this war. We went in with half the force required to do the job. The top 1% aren't sacrificing hundreds of billions in tax cuts to fund the war. Factories are being converted to war-time production and their is no rationing (like WWII). If it's so important to our national safety, why not call for a draft?

My problem with Sesak's vote funding the war is the blank-check aspect that does not hold Bush accountable to enforceable benchmarks or timetables. Without such oversight, Congress is failing in it's responsibility to the troops.

As for your activity in the Guard, I applaud it. However, government surveys of the troops have shown 1/3 to 1/2 do not believe in the mission and have low morale. Medical studies have show dangerous alterations in the brains of soldiers due to the tour extensions. Many supporters of the troops consider the stop-loss to be unfair to the troops. (Eliminate the stop-loss and see who stays.)
Finally, I believe that Bush/Cheney have taken advantage of or troops' deep sense of duty and patriotism by exaggerating the dangers to America and by sending them in without a plan or sufficient armor.


While you may be willing to do/give/sacrifice more, it is a higher price I am willing to ask of those that have already give so much and deserve the chance to come home.

11:47 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-
Another point occurred to me overnight:

If this war is SO critical and worth the lives of so many soldiers, then how can the military justify dismissing 55 Arabic and 9 Farsi translators?

9:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Don't ask don't tell" policy david....you know this answer....republicans were not the only ones to sign off on this....it was there to protect them...do you honestly believe the military only has 55 Arabic translators in the entire military?
again proving my point, something for you all to jump all over and bring back into your negative spot light....it never ends with you....
by the way, please stoppppp feeding me "your" reports....I will tell you how "my" family feels in its serving of this nation....1/3 to 1/2 half....feel that because of people like you and people in America who do not support them at least they do not feel it. I am testimony of that and know that first hand....
I would be amazed if you stopped being sooo critical of this war and begin a blog where you encourage and support the morality of "your" troops who are defending you for your freedom...but i don't believe you have the heart in you to do something of that caliber.....so keep on bashing and hating....

11:49 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-

Don't ask don't tell came up in the Republican debate. NONE of the 10 GOP candidates was willing to let gays serve openly, even where it was a critical war-on-terror function.

You COMPLETELY missed the point about the translators. We were already shorthanded for translators even with those 55 Arabic translators. We could not afford to lose them, but discrimination trumped safety, security and the honor of those soldiers. How can the administration ask people to lay down their lives protecting "freedom", when they are eager to deny it.

"My" reports? The low morale, physical/mental trauma, and reduction in readiness are all from government studies.

You are completely incorrect that "people like me" don't support the troops. We believe that Bush/Cheney have sent our forces on the wrong mission, for the wrong and without a plan for success. Therefore, we want to end the war, or at the very least force Bush to have a real mission and criteria for win/loss that can be used to bring the troops home sooner. I don't believe for one minute that the War in Iraq has protected my freedom, as Iraq was never a plausible threat in the first place and as the President has used the war to dismantle parts of the constitution.

I understand that you and your family feel you are helping America. However, I and many others feel your President has misled you and taken advantage of your patriotism. We don't want to see more people dying for a failed policy that is making us less safe.

9:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"FEEL" .... how i feel?.......Please take your arrogance to another arena, or you know what, keep it in here.."how we feel we are helping America"...very typical of a blogger who thinks he understands it ALL. haha...I think I am wise enough to understand if someone is misleading me....
like i told you 5-6 months ago, you will regret your vote for Sestak...and going back to my point, you have...thats all i came back for. should have stuck with my family, the weldons....

9:52 PM  
Blogger Seventh Watch said...

The above comment: "should have stuck with my family, the weldons.... " typlifies what is wrong with politics in this area. Take care of your family and friends seems to be the way local politicos like Weldon made their way to power.

So Weldon took care of his family and friends and we all paid for it. It's called STEALING. That's why support for Weldon is misplaced. That's why support for Sestak is warranted.

If you want to disagree with Sestak on the issues, then go ahead. But he's an honest man.

10:12 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-

Yes, "FEEL". Just because you honestly believe that Bush and the War in Iraq are making America safer, does not make it true. 30% of the country still suffers under this delusion, so you have plenty of company. Patriotism is honorable. Blind patriotism doesn't help anybody.

However, the REALITY is that Bush's incompetent leadership and mishandling of Iraq has emboldened terrorists, destabilized the Mid-East, become a recruitment tool for extremists, and made us less safe.

Our continued presence is weakening our military. There are many thousands of troops that fulfilled their service obligation and beyond. They should be allowed to go home if they want. Why should any of them die for a cause they no longer believe in, when 70% of the country wants to end this war.

As for my vote for Sestak, he is still better than Weldon (who will likely wind up behind bars). So, no regrets there. Disappointment on this vote, sure. But he's been good on the other votes.

Why have I gone after him so hard? Because he can't have it both ways: making this vote and then trying to spin it as not a deviation from his previous position. Despite his explanations and denials, I believe he caved to the political pressure. Unless he realizes that even his strongest supporters will hold him accountable, he will make mistakes like this in the future. Hopefully, he is smart enough to have learned from this one.

12:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THANKS "seven watch"....great input.


...you tell me, even if he is gulity (which he is not, and time will tell you, which again i am very amazed how blown up this became around elections and than all of sudden its out of the media, ohh how i love the media...) why the complete negative approach on a man who has turned our county around for 20 years, and the people do speak in numbers at the polls for the past 20 years, why all of sudden does it flop, is it because there is MORE behind the scenes? is it because Curt spoke too loud against Clinton? Was there ever really a criminal act that Curt was a part of?



A senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, Weldon served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee. Weldon now serves as the Vice Chairman of the full Committee as well as Chairman of the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee.

Weldon is the co-founder of the Duma-Congress Study Group, the official parliamentary exchange between the two legislative bodies.

As a member of the Science Committee, Weldon is one of the most outspoken advocates for the environment and protection of our oceans. Congressman Weldon is a member of Global Legislators for a Balanced Environment (GLOBE) where he serves as Honorary Chairman of the Oceans Protection Task Force. Weldon also serves as the honorary United States Vice President on the Advisory Committee on the Protection of the Sea (ACOPS).

As Vice Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee and founder of the Homeland Security Caucus.

As mayor of the Marcus Hook Borough, in which he was nominated twice on both Republican and Democratic ballots, Weldon led the fight to revive the small town that was home to the violent and destructive Pagan motorcycle gang.

Weldon was born in Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania

Prior to the terrorist attacks on America, Congressman Weldon was an outspoken advocate of bolstering defenses, assisting first responders, and improving intelligence gathering capabilities. As Vice Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee and founder of the Homeland Security Caucus, Congressman Weldon is a frequent keynote speaker at various defense and national security conferences across the country. He is a regular guest on national news and television programs, is the author of letters and opinion papers for various news sources, and teaches advanced courses at local colleges and universities

.....Just thought i would bring the first positive information to this blog....

Curt had 6 brothers and 2 sisters....7 of them served in the military, Curt decided he serve his country by the political world.....OUR family has decided to better this country...WHAT does YOURS do???? cause let me tell you, this blog, looks like its just between you and I and "seventh watch"

5:32 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-

Care to leave your real name? Hard to tell how many people "anonymous" represents. If you have any relationship to Weldon, then you should really make that clear.

I think his efforts on behalf of first responders are probably the only positive legacy that will remain.

Curt was (and is) a crazy, paranoid lunatic with his 'Able Danger' nonsense that was discredited multiple times. His campaign was filled with fear-mongering about having to fight terrorists in our supermarkets.

Despite and any noble or moderate views he held 20 years ago when he first went to Congress, he fell victim (willingly) to the temptations offered by Tom DeLay and the far-right. His pay-off by Abramoff for Indian casinos is one of many examples that the grand jury is sure to investigate. The million-dollar contract received by his daughter's "company" is sure to be the one of key areas of inquiry, but I suspect it is one of many similar abuses that form a pattern.

The length of the grand jury investigation provides a clue. If the charges against Weldon were few or flimsy, the judge would have dismissed the case and Weldon would not have spent all that he has so far on legal fees. I think the only real questions will be how much fine/jailtime and what leniency he might get for informing against other corruption for a reduced sentence.

12:57 PM  
Blogger Seventh Watch said...

To the anonymous poster above, who claims to be a Weldon family member:

I've never said that Curt Weldon did nothing for this area. In 20 years as Congressman, I sure hope he did something. But this district is certainly not a thriving economic region, and it is riddled with the costly ineptitude of way too many years of Republican corruption.

If you want to call that serving your country, that's your choice. I call it self-serving.

If you want to stake your family reputation on that, that's your choice too.

8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1.) "I think his efforts on behalf of first responders are probably the only positive legacy that will remain"

2.) "But this district is certainly not a thriving economic region, and it is riddled with the costly ineptitude of way too many years of Republican corruption."

3.) "Curt was (and is) a crazy, paranoid lunatic with his 'Able Danger' nonsense that was discredited multiple times. His campaign was filled with fear-mongering about having to fight terrorists in our supermarkets."

....just to name a few....you truly are some very bitter....bitter people.

by the way seventh watch, Delco is known for being a blue collar community, you step one foot into Boeing and see which congressman they thank, you step one foot into any any firehall or police station in the county and for that matter, the state and see which congressman they thank. Delaware County residents are hard working, not poor, not rich community. You look at Marcus Hook 25 years ago and look at it today, you would see a complete turn around, thanks to Curt Weldon. All I am saying is that when it comes down to the surface, Curt has done things for this
county that have turned it around. I have patience for Sestak...it's just that its going to take him longer than 2 years just to get to know the community!

7:30 AM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-

Not bitter. Greatly relieved that Weldon is no longer misrepresenting the district.

The ties between Boeing management and contributions to Curt could well be a subject for the grand jury. It's hardly surprising the workers' reaction to Curt with all the propaganda management spread about how Boeing would be shut done if Sestak was elected. (Boeing's still there, despite the fear mongering.)

"..when it comes down to the surface.." Surface?

Umm... the problem was Curt was great at making the surface look good, but beneath the surface, things fell apart or were under the table.

11:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The ties between Boeing management and contributions to Curt could well be a subject for the grand jury"...

OK...now david, now i know you are off your rocker.....haha, you have your head so far up your ___, no wonder it smells....when your done in there come on back out and we will talk REAL politics, until then, best of luck in 08.

The only downfall to Curt losing was Bush and you know that! I give Sestak 2 years....compared to Curt's 20 years....

5:49 PM  
Blogger David Diano said...

Anonymous-
Um...from the CREW report... Weldon's son, Andrew, was sponsored by Schaffer Motorsports, which is owned by Tom Shaffe, a senior employee at Boeing. In turn, one of the sponsors for Shaffer Motorsports is Boeing Helicopters Credit Union, which has its logo on Andrew's car.
Shaffer had senior position on the endangered Osprey project that Weldon prevented from being cancelled.
Boeing also has setup for employees to have deductions made from the paycheck for Boeing's political PAC. Gee, I guess quality engineering is not all it takes to get the government to buy your product, but also includes contributing to political campaigns.

Can you say: Quid pro quo?


The downfall to Curt losing was backing Bush, non-existent WMD's, selling out his office and a general foolishness that made him an embarassment to the district.

10:01 AM  

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